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Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« on: August 14, 2012, 12:00:42 AM »
I'm trying to get to grips with connecting to web based appliances such as IP cameras, NAS etc. My understanding is that this is done by port forwarding so that a suffix attached to the global IP number of the router gives access to the appliance for example: http//62.198.90.192:8005 where 62.198.90.192 is the routers global IP number and 8005 the port number being used by the appliance. Is this correct and does this mean that a multitude of such appliances can be accessed on the same global IP number?

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 11:22:36 AM »
Is the device behind a router?

What IP does the device currently have?

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2012, 12:10:06 PM »
Hi Shane, thanks for the response.

I gather my understanding is not correct. To answer your questions, I have four devices all of which are on my local network (behind a router). Until now I can only access one and this is by assigning the public IP address of my connection to it in the router setup. The internal IP of the devices I am presently experimenting with are 172.16.100.2 and 192.168.1.238

I have been trying to open ports to experiment but the result of the post tester shows they are closed despite having apparently successfully created and assigned applications on my Thomson TG712 router.

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2012, 12:35:51 PM »
The port tester only works when testing to your machine itself. It opens the port and listens for a connection from my site.

So since you are forwarding to another device my port tester wont be able help.

So do this. Post a screen shot of the network setup in the device so I can see its IP and ports.

Then post a screen shot of the port forwarding page in the router so I can see if everything is setup correctly :-)

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2012, 01:57:24 PM »
Ok. There's no single screen shots with the information you want so I've taken a couple and then combined some in a pdf file.

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 02:08:34 PM »
Oh I see.

You have them plugged into the video ports on the router.

Are they suppose to be plugged into there or the normal LAN ports?

I had a user who had a Thomson set this way. he called his ISP and had them put the video ports back to normal LAN ports.

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 02:22:24 PM »
Hmmm...what...remember I'm a beginner! By video ports you mean ports 8005 and 8010? Port 8005 I got from the IP camera manual while 8010 I just picked on. I wasn't aware there was any difference between port numbers except that some were assigned to games for gamers. I can easily delete them and make new ones and if I get in a mess just reset to default and start again - done that already.

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 02:38:37 PM »
Sorry when I said ports, I meant the network ports on the back of the router :-)

Which port is the video plugged into in the back of the router?

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 03:24:47 PM »
Ok. and by network ports you mean what are termed ethport on the screenshot diagram? The camera is not plugged into a port but is on the wireless, WLan as depicted in the diagram. Apart from the ethports there are only three other connection sockets apart from the power, these are Phone, PSTN and DSL. PSTN is vacant, DSL is plugged into the telephone landline and Phone connects to our landline phone network.

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2012, 03:41:24 PM »
OK so it is hooked up by the wireless.

Can you access it locally? And if so can you get a screen shot of the network setup in the camera?

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2012, 06:37:03 AM »
Yes, i can access it on the local network by typing in the local IP number with the port number: 192.168.1.238:8005,  typing only 192.168.1.238 doesn't access it.

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2012, 11:34:43 AM »
OK good :-)

Now I need to see if the port forwarding rule for it is setup correctly.

Can you post a screen shot of the port forwarding rule you setup for it in the router?

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2012, 01:56:49 PM »
I thought I had, its the last screenshot in the first pdf file- application definition, but here it is again:

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2012, 09:56:50 PM »
No it wasnt in the pdf :-)

OK now can you get a screen shot where it shows what device you have the rule set to :wink:

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Re: Access to web based appliances for a beginner
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2012, 10:36:40 PM »
Ok.


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