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Registry Keys
« on: April 04, 2010, 03:32:26 PM »
What utility would you use to log every key accessed (changed or not) by a particular application?

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 03:40:21 PM »
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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 05:49:44 AM »
Thanks. I'll head over there today. I sure hope it has a lot of help built in (you know me, mops with buckets of paint required).

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 08:47:44 AM »
Good thing I don't mind painting hehe.  :wink:

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 03:45:11 PM »
Ok, so I went and got it, I think now that I had already tried it but didn't see a way to get what I wanted. So today I messed around a little more and found that I could set a filter that looked at a process name and lo it began to fill up my screen with scads of hits. However, this is where my ignorance begins to show. I'm prerry sure that that process id spins off other processes which of course are not being recorded. How can I get a high level application name (and all of it's processes) to do the same thing (i.e. record all the places it goes)?

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2010, 03:50:04 PM »
For that download process explorer from the same site. It should show the tree that a process is in, who its parent and children are.
What your wanting to do isn't to hard but it can be complicated, but you will have to learn how to use these tools first. But don't worry. I have helped you a lot of times and I know you'll pick it up easily.  :wink:


What is the goal your looking for by the way?

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 03:16:07 AM »
Ah, the problem. Well it's still the same little project that I had going in the item that got closed for some reason. I want to find out how a poker site is tracking my PC to prevent me from getting multiple ids. Even after I changed the MAC on my router it still blocked me. I got a new router, same thing. If you'll recall we eliminated cookies as the culprit. Sooo, I'm thinking that it has to be registry key or some file somewhere. So the theory is that if I can trace everything/place that the application hits when I try to get a new id then I can fix it. That's the theory anyway.

I think I already have Process Explorer on that PC, I'll try it later today.

In the meantime any other thoughts on how to tackle this?

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 08:56:17 AM »
There are a number of ways a site can keep track of you.
Computer Name
Computers Mac address
Serial numbers from certain hardware (Like the hard drive)
Or a combo of some of them.

So lets think, if they where to keep track of someone and they had to make sure there was a unique way of knowing which machine is you then what combo would do that?

I forgot though, where you able to get a new ID on your other computer?

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 11:33:21 AM »
I have gotten 3 ids (the max) on both my machines but of course she wants more. For awhile I could get her another one by creating a new user account on my laptop, switch to that account and then go to the site and do an instant play (a Java application), get a new id, and quickly logout and delete the user account. That sequence of steps worked well for several months and I got her several new ids. However, they evidently came up with yet another way to check because that no longer works. Seems like to me that whatever method they are using they have to have a file or a registry key that they access. Hence the reason for wanting to trace everywhere they hit.

Thoughts? BTW, I never could figure how to change the MAC on the laptop (although I don't see how they could get it).

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 11:44:34 AM »
Thats not going to be fun trying to trace that bud.

I think it would be easier to install virtual PC. Install another copy of windows, or Linux or anything really. Once installed backup the image of it. Then create the accounts, delete the image and restore it.

Have you ever done virtual PC?

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 04:09:56 AM »
Virtual PC. Well no I have never installed a virtual PC. I also have never installed Windows, and neither of my systems came with disks to rebuild the system with so I have always lived in fear of losing the system on one of them.

However, if you can tell me how to get the operating system backed up so I can get it restored (plus all the applications; they may be harder since they require keys and junk) then I'm certainly willing to give it a shot.

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 06:56:55 AM »
Well don't worry you wont lose anything on your system :-) This will also help you get good practice in or reinstalling windows  :cheesy:

Virtual PC is free.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

Download and install it. What it will do is allow you to run another operating system in it right inside your current windows. Thus the name "Virtual PC" hehe.

But first thing you will need is a Windows XP cd. Since you do own XP you just need a copy of the CD. You can install with your current windows key (you don't need to activate since this is for learning)

Or heck you can install any OS you wish. But first you need to fig out which OS you want to install then get the setup cd for it.

Having a burnt copy of a xp cd is not the illegal part, MS allows people to modify the setup and burn it, such as network admins and such. It comes down to the key code. So make sure you don't use any keys you don't own and you'll be fine. You may even have a broken down old system that has a usable key code on the sticker still :-)

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 08:20:19 AM »
That all sounded great. One small hitch. What key and where do I find it? My Windows are valid systems, I get updates for Windows and they won't install on a pirate copy so mine are real. So where's the key found?

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2010, 08:26:03 AM »
Since this is for virtual pc and for learning you will have 30 days to activate XP. If you can get a hold of a xp cd with sp3 already on it you don't need a key to install, and you will have 30 days to use it before you need a key  :wink:

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Re: Registry Keys
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 03:20:54 PM »
Any suggestions of where I could I locate such a cd?

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